Though she's Asian, so basically they just did an ethnicity spin on her.
Yup, I wasn't aware at first, but I did some checking after I saw how lame the lead was.... seems there definitely was some ethnicity to play which is a shame, I was hoping I was just finding another reason to find the film sad.
well I think we can rest assured that black females (or males, for that matter), aren't in control of hollywood.
lol, no you still are skipping the comment, and are way off. I'm saying the choice of lead comes from some liberal guilt rather than a honest/sensible choice, which is just acknowledgement of playing up the ethnic issue in the movie.
so I guess my response to that is the same I had over at FH: what demographic should the hero of the picture have been...and why?
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Well it has been answered several times over there, so I'll just copy and paste:
Is there any race / culture combination that wouldn't get me offended? Yes, any that don't play to demographics to get the point across, and relies on strength of character. In this case, that would be none of them. But then they needed something to follow the predator round.
spudthedestroyer wrote:mrdinky wrote:spudthedestroyer wrote:I do also, but did Romero choose a black character for that very reason, to make a statement? I think you'll find he did play the race card, but for reason
That isn't racist since there was some serious development behind the character. Here though it seemed nothing but playing steroetypes and the demographics, whether as a result of poor scripting or not.
Okay. I'm still not seeing your problem. ok. they did some demographic study and decided a black chick fits best. and cast the lead based on that.
so what</i>? name 2 actors in that movie you recognized. Hendrickson begins and ends that list for me. it's not like they passed on <insert-name-of-actor/actress-you-think-would-fit-the-part-better-here>. name one human who is a physical match for a predator or alien anyway? like it matters.
What's the actors I recognise got to do with anything? My comments are merely about the type of character scripted, not any greivances with any member of cast... is that what you were thinking I was getting at? No, sorry to mislead you. I am talking soley the choice of character here, its trademark hollywood.
xenon wrote:spudthedestroyer wrote:mrdinky wrote:Okay. I'm still not seeing your problem. ok. they did some demographic study and decided a black chick fits best. and cast the lead based on that. so what</i>? name 2 actors in that movie you recognized. Hendrickson begins and ends that list for me. it's not like they passed on <insert-name-of-actor/actress-you-think-would-fit-the-part-better-here>. name one human who is a physical match for a predator or alien anyway? like it matters.
What's the actors I recognise got to do with anything? My comments are merely about the type of character scripted, not any greivances with any member of cast... is that what you were thinking I was getting at? No, sorry to mislead you. I am talking soley the choice of character here, its trademark hollywood.
Sorry if I jump in your (quite interesting) discussion... The fact that the actors are not famous only aggravates the problem. It shows that casting (at least for some characters) wasn't made with the script or the actors' talent in mind, but by tokenizing roles to demographics.
That's the problem!
xenon wrote:I'll step out of the debate with just a few more mords: not being a purist/fanboy, I have no particular interest in bashing this movie. This said, no one has a problem with a female black main character, the problem is when you have the feeling she's there for marketing/pseudopolitical reasons.
spudthedestroyer wrote:it really is very simple dinky, I'm surprised you really can't see it at all
but let's explore those feelings a bit, shall we? do you feel that way because she's a black female character? cuz that's what it sounds like to me.
The problem here is that its a typecast role, chosen purely because she is black (and hence 'racist'). It has become apparant that she was written as a female because the comics had a female lead... I wasn't aware of this, I thought this choice was to appeal to a female crowd, since AvP was very obviously more of a male thing. It just seemed like a lame clone of Ripley, that help none of the grace of Ripley. I guess the reasoning here wasn't as shallow as I expected.
But to do with ethnicity, she was most definitely chosen because she was black, which is a shame, since well xenon said it best, I can't shake the feeling that the character was writen this way for marketing or some kind of liberal guilt. And for me, that's not how your write or cast a character, you choose the best actor for the job, or you write a character that fits in the movie.
But judging by your post, I don't think you really want to change your mind, so there's no use repeating ourselves on the matter, but i think I made my point pretty clear anyways. Its not something I haven't seen in a movie before or anything, its just something that I thought they'd be over doing by now. I'm glad i'm not the only person who picked up on it on one level, but another its very lame, since it means maybe there really is something to it and creating a role because of liberal guilt/marketing or whatever it is is just sad.
There's nothing big or anything sinister behind any comments, just a complaint about type-casting. The feeling is that this character on screen is there
to be black and a woman probably stems from a terribly weak script, but its there nether the less it does seem a questionable choice, and something I would have thought we would be over by now.
lol@ the hollywood jews comment. Some german immigrants explored an area of the market untouched in the states and as a result, they now own most of hollywood. Got to respect a keen business sense there
Hollywood is structured like it is due to a 100+year history behind hollywood and all the pioneers were jewish-german immigrants and hence due to the profitability of the film industry, it just seems that way now. The fact that they moved out to LA is due to the fact that they were indeed skipping owing royalties to the Eddison company (who owned the rights to projectors). Ironic really, hollywood was
founded on piracy and now they get pissed when someone copies their films
quota.
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