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Postby Jynks on Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:51 pm

I thin the majority of smallville fans believe she is power girl due to her origin story being more that of power girl as well as her attitude etc etc. Also hr first shot was in a full white outfit and she still wears the silver wrist things that power and NOT super girl has... but like i said ages ago in this thread i really do not think that even if she is power girl they will really use her character properly.

Watched Star Trek 1-10 or what ever number nemisis is. I still like these films... not sure why everyone thinks they are so bad.. they are no worse than any of the tv eps.. just longer. I am also in the small minority as i think the first movie is the best of the lot.

Looking forward to the new film... it is set on the madin voyadge of enterprise with kirk and spock. That guy that plays Siler is playing Spock and That english dude from Shaune of the dead is playing scotty....

* Chris Pine as James T. Kirk.[4] For some time it was widely rumored that Matt Damon would play Kirk in the movie. Damon, upon hearing the rumors, including comments from William Shatner giving him a "seal of approval" for the role,[5] contacted Abrams to ascertain the truth, only to be told that the Kirk in the film was a younger man and he was "too old" for the part.[6][7] Damon commented that if they do the progression then he'd be interested in playing Kirk.[5]
* Zachary Quinto as Spock.[8] Adrien Brody discussed playing the part with director J. J. Abrams.[9]
* Karl Urban as Leonard McCoy.[10]
* Simon Pegg as Montgomery Scott.[11] Paul McGillion auditioned for the role.[12]
* Anton Yelchin as Pavel Chekov.[13]
* Zoë Saldaña as Uhura.[14]
* John Cho as Hikaru Sulu.[15]
* Eric Bana as Nero, the villain of the film.[16]
* Leonard Nimoy as the older Spock.[17]

While original Kirk William Shatner has indicated that he will not be appearing in the film,[18][19] Abrams said in July 2007 that the production was "desperately trying to figure out a way to put him in" but that to "shove him in...would be a disaster."[20] Original Sulu George Takei has also expressed hope he will be in the film.[21] Tom Cruise has denied rumors that he would be playing Christopher Pike.[22]
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Postby maxpayne2409 on Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:01 pm

dinky i checked imdb, turns out he was a "proper" wrestler called Zeus in wcw back in the day, which is probably why we never heard of him, coz who really cared about wcw EVER?
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Postby dinky on Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:24 pm

:lol: yeah. his acting skill were a bit below the WWE guys, if that's possible. :lol:
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Postby MyK on Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:38 am

Always thought wrestlers are a bit heterosexually challenged :lol:

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Postby dinky on Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:20 am

300. it's not a terrible movie. I don't grind my teeth through it the way I do with Troy (2004) or Transformers (2007), but it has absolutely moronic moments - like where the spartan king becomes the spokesperson for freedom and reason in opposition to servitude and archaic religion respectively. you see, I happen to know that spartans were very conservative, and the idea that there was a reason vs. religion "crisis" in the 480s BCE is absurd, especially since such things occur first and foremost at Athens LATER in the century (socrates, plato, protagoras, etc.). then there's the democratic rhetoric and the fact that the spartan king has to get permission from his wife before he kills a persian messenger. these are both ridiculously anachronistic "modern" themes. those moments annoy me, but they really don't have anything to do with most of the movie (which is at thermapylae). here's what stuck out this time: gerald butler's accent is absolutely nothing like his wife's. umm...are they that bad as actors? was the director or the person responsible for casting this thing that fucking lazy? second, and this one really bothered me before too, ephialties (the deformed spartan traitor) is told by leonidas that he can't fight with the spartans because they fight in a phalanx and ephialtes can't hold his shield high enough to fit in the formation. then he goes on to explain the way a phalanx works. this is all true and great cuz yeah, it makes sense. the first battle breaks out and cool: the spartans are in a phalanx. dude, before the first battle is even over, they're already fighting one-on-one and out of formation. then most of the next 2 days of fighting has nothing whatever to do with a phalanx.

I also disliked all of the fantasy stuff and the "he-man" outfits the greeks wore, but that wasn't distracting.

the blood and violence didn't have any significant impact because it all rings hollow and fake, but it's not so fake as to be distracting. it's just not visceral and has no impact whatever - and it's supposed to have an impact.

so what did I like? the concept about glory and the spartan attitude. the emphasis on the difference between spartan warriors and other greeks. the lines were cheesy and most of them were pirated from herodotus or simonides, but they were pretty cool.

movie should have ended with the picture of leonidas in his "crucifix" pose on the ground with the quote from simonidies ("according to spartan law we lie" or something). everything after that was ridiculously bad and self-indulgent.
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Postby MyK on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:03 am

I thought Spartans didn't keep any record of their history and didn't even know how to write :? In fact, I'm pretty sure they didn't. So, while "300" might be an awful movie that I'm glad I never saw, there's really no saying if it is historically correct or not, is it? All we know of Spartans was written by other cultures, most of them were their enemies, and taking anything of that seriously would be like believing all Greek tablets on history of Persia are true and all Persian men were rather boning their own dogs than going in bed with a woman. And we all know whom Greeks were rather boning, right? I mean, we all have to come to terms that all we know of Spartans is a political propaganda written by their enemies. For all we know they could have been really nice people and Greeks have done something terrible to them without proper reason so they decided to rewrite history. So why would you end the movie with a quote that might have nothing to do with Spartan way of life and convictions at all? If anything, the ending should include a disclaimer "All characters and events in this picture are fictitious. Any resemblance with current events in the middle east countries and politics of our western leaders is completely accidental. This picture is not suitable for heterosexuals. Parental guidance is not advised as they might find them self explaining sexual habits of people they clearly have nothing in common with or they only tried once in their college years but they did not inhale." :P :lol:
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Postby maxpayne2409 on Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:02 pm

i did it in the sun, in the rain, in the snow.... but i didn't in hale :lol:, you should know that line myk hehe

anyway last night i used my extra hour terribly

watched Chances are which wasnt bad but then i watched Soul PLane which was shit

Chances are was from 1989 and starred robert downey jr, ryan o'neall (spud don't get excited i didn't say sam neill) and cybill shepherd about a guy (downey jr) who dies in the late 60s after being knocked over by a car on the way to meet his pregnant girlfriend (shepherd) and gets the chance to come back (as apparently we all do) but they forget to give him his injection that erases all his memories, so he grows up into a 23 year old downey jr and meets by chance his and shepherds daughter, and ends up going to her house where he starts having flashes of his old memories and realises he is shepherds husband reincarnated and has to make her see that while avoiding the advances of his daughter and his best friend (o'neall) who is in love with shepherd
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Postby spudthedestroyer on Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:46 pm

imo analysing a movie like 300 just makes the reviewer look stupid for not knowing better, not the movie. :lol:


Watched a few movies yesterday; first up was the dreadfully shitty Resident Evil 3. It was a really shit movie, not only because it was terribly written and completely incompetantly healmed, but because quite clearly no one involved in the process has ever played a Resident Evil game which in terms of plot and acting (yes, honestly, the crappy plot and acting of the games) are vastly superior than this mess. This was such a bad movie; Wesker has to be the most retarded idiot in the world and the film had more in common with Attack of the Clones than it did any established franchise. That is why I have to assume its an adaptation of the Ubisoft pc port of Resident Evil; not a decent resident evil game :lol: If someone gave me the money of any of the Resident Evil movies, I would completely erase any notion of these films and completely start again. It wouldn't be a remake, it would be Resident Evil. I'd use the remainder to pay for a gang to find, rape and kill Paul W. S. Anderson in the most horrible way imagineable.
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After that shitfest I then watched the very enjoyable Fido. This stars Billy Connelly as a zombie in a world that's very much like the recent "Stubbs the Zombie" game, so much so that I'd be amazed if there wasn't a huge influence form that game. The tone, atmosphere and some of the setup is very similar. I actually think "Stubbs the zombie" would make an excellent movie; its funny, unique and got the whole protagonist as a zombie motif. Anyway, fido is a nice little film which stars Trinity and Billy Connelly in a world of domesticated zombies, controlled by a behaviour modifying collar that supresses the will to kill. Its light and fluffy, but with zombies. I enjoyed it; might be one i pick up on dvd when its cheap.
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Finally I watched 1408, which was a very familiar haunted/one man terror fest. It was quite enjoyable but its been done so many times before, it has the whole insomniacs madness... being taunted by the supernatural force showing visions of the past and what not. Entertaining watch if not particularly new or refreshing. Ending was a tad weak and some of the scares are poor.
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Postby dinky on Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:19 pm

spudthedestroyer wrote:imo analysing a movie like 300 just makes the reviewer look stupid for not knowing better, not the movie. :lol:

har har. indeed. sadly, I see the wisdom in that. then again, I feel the same way about horror & video game flicks. :razz:

@myk thucydides was athenian, but he was banished from athens and lived in sparta for most of the peloponnesian war(s). he also wrote about them with a great deal of respect. two other factors involved there: the spartans expected others to "talk about them" and the fact that others did is actually more objective in the sense that you're not getting the self-aggrandizement & myth-making that dominates athenian history.

then, of course, under hellenistic and roman rule, spartan life became very popular (not popularly practiced, but popular as an admirable curiosity). plus sparta absolutely dominated the peloponnesus and so on and so forth. these are also the people who actively promoted oligarchy (opposing both tyrannies and democracies) throughout all of greece (they were directly responsible for ending tyranny at athens, and their attempts to install an oligarchy led directly to the athenian democracy). the role of women in sparta was more active than athens, to be sure, where they kept their aristocratic woman locked up in the house. but that's only because the women and children and old men were the only spartans around half the time cuz the men were off campaigning. I mean...their children knew each other better than either parent. the men were only with their wives for about half the year (until they grew older). these are as incontestable as facts can get in the ancient world. despite the lack of spartan writing.
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Postby MyK on Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:47 pm

@myk thucydides was athenian, but he was banished from athens and lived in sparta for most of the peloponnesian war(s). he also wrote about them with a great deal of respect. two other factors involved there: the spartans expected others to "talk about them" and the fact that others did is actually more objective in the sense that you're not getting the self-aggrandizement & myth-making that dominates athenian history.


Yeah, but as Thucydides himself wrote he was sent into exile for the fall of Amphipopolis though he claimed that wasn't his fault and Amphipopolis was already Spartan when he came there to defend it as an Athenian general. He also admits to have contracted some sort of plague while in Athens. He could hardly be considered a valid historian for those "facts" IMO. He was prolly raging mad cuz of his illness and vindictive cuz he was also denied property of some gold mines that he owned yet you Americans somehow still find his writings as historical fact. :wacky: Also, you write that Athenians were self-aggrandistic etc but you would take their word on other cultures? What I mean is, if something catastrophic happened to the North America (like US troops returning home :lol:) and your civilization died-off, could you take what other nations would have to say about your civilization for granted? :roll: I mean, let's face it, you Americans also love to be talked about even if you have to force praise of others at gun point, you'll even run it repeatedly on CNN (every hour on the hour) along with info in what hotels around the world an American can feel like being wanted and important for afters, when in fact nobody likes you and we're only in this charade either cuz we're being polite or in it for the buck. :P :lol: BTW... nothing personal ;)
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Postby maxpayne2409 on Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:57 pm

:lol: myks laying the smack down, in all fairness tho myk, they may take what other cultures said about sprata as fact, but at least they're making an effort to actually acknowledge countries exist outside the united states now :googley:
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Postby MyK on Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:08 pm

Oh shit! There goes the neighborhood! :lol: BTW, I'll try with "Journeyman" and "The Big Bang Theory" today... hope they're any good ;)
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Postby Jynks on Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:43 pm

imo analysing a movie like 300 just makes the reviewer look stupid for not knowing better, not the movie.


lol your priceless spud
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Postby dinky on Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:06 pm

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@myk thucydides was athenian, but he was banished from athens and lived in sparta for most of the peloponnesian war(s). he also wrote about them with a great deal of respect. two other factors involved there: the spartans expected others to "talk about them" and the fact that others did is actually more objective in the sense that you're not getting the self-aggrandizement & myth-making that dominates athenian history.


... you write that Athenians were self-aggrandistic etc but you would take their word on other cultures? What I mean is, if something catastrophic happened to the North America (like US troops returning home :lol:) and your civilization died-off, could you take what other nations would have to say about your civilization for granted? :roll: I mean, let's face it, you Americans also love to be talked about even if you have to force praise of others at gun point, you'll even run it repeatedly on CNN (every hour on the hour) along with info in what hotels around the world an American can feel like being wanted and important for afters, when in fact nobody likes you and we're only in this charade either cuz we're being polite or in it for the buck. :P :lol: BTW... nothing personal ;)

you also can't simply dismiss it off hand because it cannot be "proven" either. maybe I've given you the impression that I take everything from thucydides and herodotus as fact. I do not. however, using the fact that there is no written documentaiton from classical sparta on classical sparta as an excuse to rewrite everything that HAS been documented about sparta by anyone even remotely close to it is just a little bit flimsy, dontcha think? and oh by the way, the newly (re)established "spartan" values in the movie just happen</i> to align with those espoused by modern "democratic" theory? right. ok. hey. if you believe that, I have a time share in florida you need to get in on. nice, warm weather. plenty of water. abundant exotic wild life. it's not a "swamp." it's a refuge from the hectic city pace. ;)
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Postby dinky on Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:54 pm

Dan in Real Life. I liked it. I'm not a huge fan of steve carrell's stuff, but I like him at the same time. this one was pretty good. entirely formulaic and predictable, but it doesn't really dwell on the hollywood ending the way films of the genre normally do. I'd call it a chick flick except for the inversion of the formula (it follows the single dad). the "wise old parents" annoyed me. that was the only thing from the genre that kind of grated a little. but it was fun getting there. there's also a lot of mildly overstated symmetry that, if it were a book, would be laughable, but in the movie, I'd just say it's pretty smart (at least for a studio movie :lol:)

ps - max: stay away from this. ;)
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Postby MyK on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:40 am

:lol: :lol: :lol: You have time share in Florida? You're not Al Bundy by any chance are you? :lol: :lol: :lol: I know, I know... but how could I resist, aye? LOL @ your reply though (ROFL @ "it's not a swamp" :lol:) ;) Anyway, my point was that you can not give credence to how close a movie is to any interpretation of history if it can not be proven to be the right one. I guess it's just a philosophical question anyway and those "examples" I gave have absolutely nothing to do with my political alignment. I actually have none, would you believe it. I'm politically incorrect by all of their standards in equal proportions :P I think all political options that we have in a modern world are rather redundant anyway when all there is to choose from are clowns escaped from mental institutions anyway and all they wanna make of the world is their kinda circus. And just because I find it amusing how your country confuses diplomacy with "deploymacy" doesn't make me a democrat :P

Pilot of "Journeyman". I wouldn't say it's great so far but it's good enough. It'll prolly all depend on the quality of writing in the next few episodes :? I like that personal approach and his (the lead role, forgot the name) attention to not meeting himself in different time-lines.
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Postby maxpayne2409 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:19 am

@ dinky - i will stay away from it, not because you told me to but frankly because you made it sound so dreadfully shit.

@ a more intelligent individual - yeah journeyman is pretty good myk, i like it anyway, the lead guy who's name i can't remember either, was in Rome if you find him recognisable but couldn't place him, the episodes do get better, but then the pilot episodes for every series are usually weaker as the actors/directors/writers etc are all still slotting the characters into the right place
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Postby MyK on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:42 am

I thought I recognize him from somewhere... this will prolly sound like I'm some middle-aged housewife, but he looks kinda skinnier than what he looked like in Rome, doesn't he? Just an observation BTW. I looked it up on IMDB and his character's name is "Dan Vassar". Anyway, a good actor IMO. A bit on the safe side with facial expressions but that can be attributed to his style and there's nothing wrong with that ;) I'm gonna watch a few more eps after I'm done with the pilot ep of "The Big Bang Theory". FTM earlier, I downloaded and watched the first season of "TV Heaven, Telly Hell" and you were right Max, the second season is better.
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Postby maxpayne2409 on Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:57 am

i don't really remember how big he was in rome, but i would suspect the roman armour would make him appear bigger too
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Postby dinky on Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:37 am

MyK wrote:Anyway, my point was that you can not give credence to how close a movie is to any interpretation of history if it can not be proven to be the right one.

one does not "prove" history; one moves from interpretation to interpretation in search of the ever-elusive "truth." it is subject to all the standard prerequisites of narrative. I think you're blowing smoke where there isn't even a lit cigarette if you're going to basically dismiss all first hand and close accounts and documents of an event for an essentially baseless reinterpretation that is clearly modeled on a present day political (and pop-cultural) ideology. even saying "don't be so quick to dismiss the reinterpretation" is just bad critical practice. one needs more than the possibility of an interpretation. I mean...humans COULD be the product of ancient space-traveling clowns from a galaxy far far away. there's no evidence to support it. but hey, can't rule it out, right? gimme a break.

I guess it's just a philosophical question anyway and those "examples" I gave have absolutely nothing to do with my political alignment. I actually have none, would you believe it.

no. there's no such thing as the apolitical. we've already been over this.

watched dexter and brotherhood. liked. pretty sure I'll have liked dexter s1 more by the time this one's done though.
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