The last movie you saw...

[spudthedestroyer]

hmmm you got interested in men wearing leather dinky??? are you keeping some deep dark secret in a closet somewhere

yes. I blame spud for being FIRST come outta the closet though.

erm, actually, i was meaning buck rogers as in the way he wears his gun on his belt, like han solo does. erm, i don't recall ever stating interest in his leather pants, and if i did, I was describing his attire... although i really don't remember such a specific interest.

[dinky]

i don't recall ever stating interest in his leather pants, and if i did, I was describing his attire... although i really don't remember such a specific interest.

yes. so was I. s1 gets interesting when he wears the (essentially leather) peacekeeper gear (not because of it). that said, it does look "cooler" than the silly orange nasa stuff.

just playing with max.

[maxpayne2409]

erm dinky you are the one that said, and i quote

I did notice a definite jump in interest as soon as he started wearing the peacekeeper leathers though

sounds like your in denial mr dink, and i don't mean a river in Egypt

there's only 2 kinds of men dinky, steers n queers, which are you boy?

[dinky]

you know max, that's really not a good line to quote when trying to emasculate someone. I mean...you do understand what a steer actually is, right?

young castrated ox: a male of the cattle family that has been castrated before reaching sexual maturity and is raised for beef, especially a young bull
Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005. © 1993-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

[maxpayne2409]

Yes i do dinky, and i know you aren't one, which only leaves one logical answer to the question doesn't it.

[dinky]

but you do see the position you've put yourself</i> in, right?

[maxpayne2409]

i haven't put myself in any position, as the question was only directed at you so refers in no way to me, spud, the guy in farscape or any other male on the planet. just you dinky, just you

[spudthedestroyer]

Get a room you too!

[dinky]

cuz in space, no one can here you squirm?

i haven't put myself in any position, as the question was only directed at you so refers in no way to me, spud, the guy in farscape or any other male on the planet. just you dinky, just you

ah, but you have. interpolate your own damn question: "there's only 2 kinds of men dinky, steers n queers, which are you boy?"

now think really hard here max, are you a man? (or even a boy?) I know you're not a woman, which only leaves one logical answer, right maxy? you're a man. now look back at the question you asked me: there are only two kinds of men. uh oh sparky, seems you've stepped in it this time. either you're a steer (i.e., have no testicles) or you're a queer.

so...either your proposition is false, and I can be a man while being neither steer nor queer. or you're not a man (or a boy), leaving you a girl. OR you are left with either/or scenario above. like I said, it's a great line, but it really doesn't hold-up to scrutiny. you've essentially called yourself either a skirt, a woman, or testicle-free chattel.

farscape</i> s2 eps 14 & 15.

[maxpayne2409]

and what if i was calling myself a shemale dinky?, i'm not but that's one other alternative your smart arse american brain never thought of

anyway i was refering to the dinky men, not the real men, its like how people who go "yeah im gonna pay to see paris hilton in house of wax by paying the cinema just to see how bad she is...... those people aren't real people, and that world is the world i was implying that blah blah blah if i keep talking perhaps you will get bored and i will be victorious in worming my way out of this giant elephant trap


not watched any movies or tv eps today, started playing dreamfall, god damn the first half hours play was all romancey boring fartsy bollocking about.

started Titan Quest yesterday, thats pretty good

[dinky]

and what if i was calling myself a shemale dinky?, i'm not but that's one other alternative your smart arse american brain never thought of

afaik, that's a gender issue not a sexual one. so I'd lump that in with queer. but you could argue steer based on surgical procedures. either way, you'd still be starting as a male or a female. in any case, I'll concede, you're right. I didn't consider that. so you're a shemale then? cuz I'm alright with that. I thought you were a man. but sure. ok.

farscape</i> s2 through ep 18. there are 4 more eps to go. a 3-parter and then the final ep.

[dinky]

farscape s3. just watched zhaan die. ep 5ish? iunno. it's helter-skelter. there are a lot of good eps (pretty much every multiple ep story arc). but there are all these annoying flaws. they're only mild irritants. except for the fact that lucas released those prequels, and it's a major flaw that farscape shares with sw - I guess suspension of disbelief is the proper term. but it's not exactly that. I just don't like how characters change from episode to episode. the ride is fun and all, but sometimes it feels like they don't even try: "here. take this situation for granted and then enjoy the ride." one glaring example is kreis (sorry for spelling - can't find his name on imdb). I understand that he needs to play friendly with everyone simply to keep talon under control, but his character has gone through a couple 180s at this point. another thing that bothered me in the s2 finale eps was the role of the previous species in the assault on the shadow depository. it just felt very mechanical. we need one of these. one of these. two of those. and everyone falls into line. I think it bothers me really cuz I liked the eps in the story arc, but I despised the conditions upon which it was predicated. also, the sacrificial character motif is getting kind of old now. out of the last 5-8 eps, I think 3-5 characters have "sacrificed their lives" (with varying degrees of success and being brought back). it's a powerful plot twist, but lessee: critchton, aerynn, zhaan, moia/pilot, zhaan again (!)

I also think it was a mistake to let dargo ever find his son. that was going to inevitably be anti-climactic...and it was. his presence on the show is rather pointless. his depature is equally void of impact. much better as the reason for dargo's survival, will to live, etc.

[spudthedestroyer]

John Crichton: You've been lyin' to your daddy, boy, and you know you shouldn't lie to your daddy. It's gonna stop. Who's your daddy? C'mon, you know who your daddy is. Who's your daddy? D'Argo, tell him who his daddy is.
General Ka D'Argo: I'M your daddy.

First things first, Series 3 (and its first episode) is called "Season of Death", that's kind of an indication of people are going to die. They do indeed. I'll say no more. Secondly, its hard to remember where you are, so careful where you hover the mouse I think your just before the split, and more people die during and after. That's my favourite people during Farscape because its then you realise that its fustrating that everything doesn't work out perfectly as you want for the characters, and then you realise that your really drawn into the characters and care about what happens. You want everything to be perfect and everything to be happy, but events are making that impossible during this period of series 3. It's just one of those great moments in movies/series where things are going badly and you just want everything to go well. You also see exactly what Crais is up to and his character is explained.

Watch your mouse on this next paragraph. You've got a couple more episodes until you'll see this though iirc. The split happens an episode after Eat Me, which is episode 6. You might want to watch up to season end or at least 4 or so episodes before coming back to this.

I think the problem you have atm (and everyone has at the point your at) is your forming all these points, just like the muppet show, before actually getting to the plot twists and revelations where you realise... "oh right, that's why!" I found Farscape highly addictive to the point where when i got going, i really didn't have time to write out a snap judgement (beyond the thought) because i simply plugged on the next episode and then you find out why your snap judgement doesn't play out.

Possible Spoilers:
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The thing with Crais is he's supposed to be like that, your supposed to be following Crichton(s), and Crichton(s) doesn't trust him. So even if Crais does something "good", which is hard enough for a character that's essentially been an SS commander, Crichton(s) is still incapable of trusting him. His actions are under the magnifying glass, so to speak. Everything is from Crichton(s)'s perspective actually, even though its a 3rd person story.

By episode 5 I don't think you'll have seen enough of the real reason though, so i've spoilerised it even if you kind of already know it:
On top of that, and this is the key, Crais has got a vast leviathon plugged directly into his brain and both act sporradically good/evil I think that's the gist of his dual personality, he's actually got a dual personality.

Some of my favourite episodes are over the next 10 episodes, during the split. I won't say more.

Crichton's actions are always moralistic, and then he snaps because he's getting pushed and pushed (which increases rapidly over 4 series and movie). He can't trust Crichton because the reason he's under so much distress is entirely based on Crais. The Crais thing ends well though
// END


As for the series 2 multi-parter, i understand and your right. They had to do a raid, I understand why they brought the bit-characters back, and i forgive its obvious convienance because its entierly necessary for the story I thought, and because the episodes actually worked well. They had three options, keep it as just the people on board (i really think it needed more players to work), introduce a host of other bit player characters or reintroduce characters you already know the motives of. I can at least understand why the third option was chosen. The fact that they are an awesome set of episodes despite the convience is enough for me, although it is awfully convienant and i understand how that's annoying. I kind of get what you mean about the prequels, but its not so much the same. The prequels name drop because they can't stand up on their own, whereas this multiparter brings back and kills the bitplayers as a plot aid, the episodes are excellent dispite this. Star Wars name drops because it really doesn't have the writing, plot or narrative to stand up on its own.

The Dargo-son plot was always bit player, getting it out of the way was a good thing retrospectively since its always going to have fizzled out and it causes a shift / re-evaluation of motives (essentially he's always acted like he does ). Also ends the closeness between two characters that's set it far too early within the entire 4 and a bit series. Its just more to the 'characters always f*ck up' aspect of Farscape, their plans always fail, they always do the wrong thing (hacking off pilot's limbs always stands out as an example of that), and they work better for it if you ask me. Essentiallly though, it was good to get it out of the way because it free's up the 4th and 5th series for the all important Peacekeepers vs Scarrans vs Crichton, and Crichton's obsession / madness Or at least that's how i remember it.

Funny how the cast keeps expanding and expanding.

There are two episodes which i hate, one in series 3 which is a cartoon thing episode 16 i think (happens during the split iirc), and then one in series 4 where they are stuck inside a game. The s4 one i think hindered progress, I was too into the wormhole thing at that point.




Finally, i hope you enjoy the next sequence of episodes as much as I did when i watched them. I really enjoyed them, or at least that's how it sticks out in my mind.

[dinky]

I saw an ep or two of the split before - cuz a couple bits of it were VERY familiar.

the scarrens-peacekeepers thing is a nice arc (with the scorpius-critchton entanglement). I wonder if they were able to pay half the cast half a season's wage each cuz they're only appearing in every other ep, thereby enabling the cast to DOUBLE in s3.

actually, now that I'm thinking about it, there is one thing that Farscape is undisputedly the best at (that I can think of): introductions. the show starts right away, and when they do run-out the the opening credits/theme music, it's QUICK. more shows need those hella quick openings.

I think I just watched ep 10, btw. crais supposedly just executed aerynn's mommy (btw: that's another shallow character shift - explained, but without effect [affect, actually] talking about mommy not crais)

[spudthedestroyer]

The only two that appear in both are Crichton and Crais iirc, since the actor who does Crais is the voice of Pilot too

[spudthedestroyer]

I forgot to mention, I've been watching Angel. I'm up to series 3, but now i'm waiting on the damn mule to finish them up. I have crappy vcds but i don't want to watch them. At the end of series 1, the fight scenes get a lot better, and then in series 2 the budget steps up significantly so that the fighting is more like I remember it, the sets and cameras look much better too.

Its much more like i remember it

[dinky]

eesh. the series kicked-in hard (and remained focused) in the middle of the 2nd season, so this latest ep was an extra big-time dud. crichton and d'argo can't stop arguing so pilot banishes them to R&R for 10 days (an odd development in itself given the fact that pilot is such a passive character). anyway, the narrative was frenetic on purpose (like a tony scott movie). it wasn't effective (I think I only ever liked it in Man on Fire, and I liked that in spite</i> of the frenetic shit). the plot was more or less a casino heist type of thing. my real disappointment, though, is that the ep seemed so utterly pointless - like the majority of the first 2 seasons. although s2's pointless eps were of admitedly higher quality than s1's for the most part.

[spudthedestroyer]

dud? now come off it, you aint kidding no1. That's still a solid episode, the contrast with the quality of the preceding episodes is the problem, its hardly fair to call it a "dud", unless your speaking retrospectively in comparison to the other episodes? Other wise I'd take one of your "dud" farscapes over most other series any day I remember that episode, it ain't nearly that bad.

The only real dud i remember from series 3 was the animated one, i think its episode 16

If your trying so hard not to backtrack on the over the top farscape hating (go through this thread), just be a big man, bite your tongue and say you were wrong I won't think any less of you

btw. Tony Scott directed True Romance did he not? That movie is hella-cool.

[dinky]

yes. the frenetic shit is a recent trend (not just something scott is doing constant gardener</i> comes to mind as well).

and yes, it was a dud. it was a waste of time. it felt like one of those episodes that plague (american) tv - the seasons are far too long 20+ episodes wherein only half to a third of those eps are really part of the larger strategy of the series/story arc. I don't pay attention to credits, but it felt like one of those eps conceived and written by a "hired gun" rather than the person(s) responsible for developing the series. it was, in a word, pointless. or so it seemed to me. this isn't remotely unusual for any series. but as you said, it HAS gotten considerably better pretty consistently, and this was a huge step back. I would put it on par with one of the random eps in the first half of s2, which is better than most of s1 (except the scorpius stuff). it was better than the s1 stuff cuz it didn't have they "another muppet show" feel. but it did have the random Star Trek adventure feel.

edit: the reason I'm concentrating on this ep is it's the only one I watched today. I usually knock them off 3 or 4 at a time. so no, it isn't REALLY worth all this commentary in the larger scheme of things. it happens to be all I've seen today.

[dinky]

3 or 4 more eps of farscape s3. heh. well, the "big impact" of the split finally happened. I guess it was telegraphed right from the get go. the only other option I could come-up with was split personality, but the show was very explicit that they weren't taking that route. it was good. back to being good again. the ending was great (this is the ep where moia and talon crews are reunited). except...and my math may be off here...but I'm pretty sure the 3 who chose to fight scorpius were outnumbered by those who "voted" not to. I guess they could leave moia and just take talon...except talon is also against the idea, and talon don't go where talon don't wanna go. I know. I know. it's prolly answered in the first 30 seconds of the next ep. but...still...that's what I was thinking when I finally turned it off. that, and great story arc.

as per usual, the bit(s) with family members proved anticlimactic. aerynn's mother wasn't a sore thumb the way d'argo's kid was, but her part in that ep (and its resolution concerning her) felt...I don't wanna say pointless...but uninteresting.

anyway, I could really fix this show-up so people would watch it just by some judicious editing of the first couple seasons. mostly cutting a lot of the star trek and dark krystal/labarynth influence over s1 and merging a few important eps into s2 (while maybe dropping a couple s2 eps as well). maybe one long, 30-episode season.

oh yeah, and I'd also rewrite chiana a little. I can't stand the loopy way she walks. they seem to have toned that down. also cut quite a few of crichton's pop culture references cuz...well...they aren't funny and add to the not taking the show seriously feel. (that also seems to have toned down considerably at this point in s3 - that or browder has made huge strides as an actor in that time frame cuz they don't stick-out like sore thumbs)