change pal dvd iso to ntsc ?

[fileslasher]

I dl'd a dvd iso. turned out to be Pal which is useless for my player. Is there a way to make it ntsc with dvd decrypter or sum other program. Does dvdshrink make it region free? Need a little help....

[spudthedestroyer]

Okay, firstly, I just want to make you aware of how bad format re-encoding is. Expect major degradation of quality.

Next, can you clarify, is it Region encoding (doubtful as you said you downloaded) or format?

Since you download, it will be region free, so what your saying is that your equipement is too old to support PAL? The reason I'm assuming its region free is because the first step in ripping is to put it through DVDdecrypter that removes macro and region coding. If for some bizarre reason the ripper hasn't done this, that's all you need to do, under the menu of Tools>IFO>Region patch. Or your dvd player can be hacked to region free see www.dvdrhelp.com

However, I don't think its the problem.. is this your TV or your DVDplayer that's stoneage?

The answer to your questions is no, no, no. The problem is that your TV or DVD player is incapable of playing back the superior PAL picture format, not the disc. To convert from PAL to NTSC you've got a lot of work. You have to demux the video stream from the ISO, encode and degrade the movie to the older NTSC picture standard (smaller picture, poorer colour quality, higher frame rate).

To do this requires a lot of work, but you can find guides for this at www.dvdrhelp.com , or www.doom9.org . They take a long time.

Now, the best option available to you, is to locate the region bottleneck and replace it with better equipment. These days, DVDplayers can be unlocked to region free (see www.dvdrhelp.com ) and because of this support both PAL and NTSC broadcast formats, so I'm guessing your problem is your TV that is incapable of playing back PAL footage?

However, shouldn't the disc work, but you get a distorted black and white image? If so, then the problem is you need a better TV.

So the short answer, if your setup is incapable of handling the superior PAL format, then there's no one click solution. Its not the fact that the disc is region encoded, its the fact it uses a better picture format to NTSC. Region encoding and format encoding are different things.

[fileslasher]

However, shouldn't the disc work, but you get a distorted black and white image?.

Exactly. Thx for clearing this up for me spud. I thought it was my dvdplayer but nope, its my tv so I guess the only solution is to re-encode. that sux.

[spudthedestroyer]

or get a new tv

[fileslasher]

need money for that heh

[dinky]

you're better off dl the ntsc iso than going through all the time and frustration (believe me, it's inevitable) of making the conversion, which will result in quality loss anyway, no matter which way you convert.

[spudthedestroyer]

Its your own fault, stop clining to NTSC you wacky Americans. Seriously though, PALs been around for how long, 50 years? I would have thought it might have been a smart move to phase in PAL / dual tvs over that period surely?

I would have thought it would have been a bright idea to phase in a singular system for HDTV but there still seems to be PAL / NTSC distinctions.

The sooner there's a universal format the better imo.

[dinky]

I'm thinking corporations like the difference. It helps them control pricing. Artificially inflates values. Requires people to purchase different systems when in different parts of the world. except for sounding better (PAL sounds like my dead dog) I don't really get the NTSC thing either. Not that it really matters to me - I'd rather have a standard though.

it's not like when we tried to convert to the metric system and people revolted cuz it didn't make sense to them (yeah yeah, it's a lot more sensical than inches/feet/yards/miles). no one would even notice ntsc-to-pal.

[spudthedestroyer]

Possibly, region encoding though is what helps keep regions under controls these days, and that's a defunct system given hacks. Any modern tv supports both formats.... fFor tv manufactures its cheaper just to include both systems rather than specialise a factory around a picture format. They can then use the same factory to construct the tvs and its just the plug that's changed.

I think the main reason is more to do with the consumer base, given that the market was swamped with NTSC televisions, trying to introduce PAL would be a total ache for the consumers that just refuse to change, or don't understand change. Most people don't know what NTSC is, but they will know that there tv doesn't display this new picture format.

You think Never The Same Color will ever leave us? I can't see it happening any time soon. Not unless President Blair invades the states

[dinky]

true, but that region thing is new with the dvd standard, which is only just recently replacing vhs as the media of choice. and, of course, with that has come all the mid-high end components that don't require ntsc anymore: plasmas have ntsc tuners, but that's just to accomodate our ntsc standard on cable tv lines. they will all display pal through composite/s-video inputs. projectors all display pal. not sure about those really bulky, flat screens that people are buying or the lcd tvs. I suspect at least the lcds will also handle pal since they're essentially computer displays also (like plasmas). so I guess we are moving there...slowly. afaik, most dvd players can handle the pal signals these days - such as the situation here where the problem lies in the display.

[spudthedestroyer]

I did some reading on blue-ray and there's claims that the framerate will be 24fps, so maybe they are working on an armed coup? or more likely they're going to fudge things up and make NTSC discs which bump the framerate artificially up to 29.976fps.. just imagine how much data is going to be wasted by newbies ripping those 1080i discs and not IVTC/FORCE FILMing