The last movie you saw...

[maxpayne2409]

so jynks your not in the least bit bothered about the immense inconsistancies regarding season 1 of heroes in season 2?

[MyK]

I'm also concerned about the fact that present time Hiro failed to notice a sign on his sword's handle that he himself put there while time traveling to 17th (or was it 18th ) century Japan, even though it's his favorite artifact, yet Ando finds it almost immediately whilst fiddling with it for a mere minute or so. If you time travel back to 17th century and put something on a sword's handle it'll then be there since then on regardless if your present self has already done the time traveling or not. And I find it difficult to believe present time Hiro wouldn't have noticed that sign on a handle of a sword he's so fond of

[maxpayne2409]

yeah it is a bit badly written so far, it's not a patch on season 1.

anyway watched lastest Chuck, i quite llike it for some chill out fodder, same with aliens in america and the big bang theory, nothing brain intensive just to watch after work.

Got reaper to watch after, and latest smallville

[MyK]

Say, what do you make of the new season of "Not Going Out"? Worth downloading? I caught this bad cold and am on a sick leave (not that it matters now that's weekend anyway) so watching britcoms is the only thing on my schedule these days. Who needs cough syrup when you can clear your throat with excessive laughter, right?

[maxpayne2409]

well i like the second series, it's not as good as the first, but it's still worth watching, infact i'm downbloading 2x07 to watch now

[dinky]

I'm also concerned about the fact that present time Hiro failed to notice a sign on his sword's handle that he himself put there while time traveling to 17th (or was it 18th ) century Japan, even though it's his favorite artifact, yet Ando finds it almost immediately whilst fiddling with it for a mere minute or so. If you time travel back to 17th century and put something on a sword's handle it'll then be there since then on regardless if your present self has already done the time traveling or not. And I find it difficult to believe present time Hiro wouldn't have noticed that sign on a handle of a sword he's so fond of

not to be captain obvious or anything, but I think the point is that he altered the past and, thereby, the future so the hollow in the hilt wouldn't have been there when hiro was fiddling in s1.

it's back to the future 2 time travel logic (which I'd say is the most popular mechanic, but hollywood uses many varieties). different time lines are created. there is no single absolute time line. I think that's what's tripping/bothering you here. on the more mundane level, hiro was in awe of the thing and had sylar on his mind whereas hiro was fiddling with it as a piece of his lost friend that he wanted back (hence fiddling at all). but of course the truest answer is that they hadn't written the 17th cen. hiro bit yet. but that's cheap to hold against a serialized drama since it's routinely made-up on an ad hoc basis. only stuff like B5 is even remotely self-contained from start to finish, and even that (as jynks explained) underwent major plot renovations. not to say s2 is great. I like it. it's impossible to judge, I think, like jynks said because the end game isn't apparent yet. but there's some validity to the complaint that s2 is wandering aimlessly and taking apparent liberties with the plot based on s1.

just got back from 30 days of night. I had forgotten it was a comic book until the movie ended. I liked it. it reminded me a lot of dog soldiers. same basic feral baddies. same basic irrelevance of what they looked like (dog soldiers wolves looked chincier cuz of the budgets, but they both have a kind of "here's what they are; now let's get to the carnage" kind of attitudes about them). the only time I thought "yeah, this is a comic book. I can see that" was the ending, which really wasn't the movie. the movie works without the ending, is what I'm trying to say. even though the ending isn't completely hollywood either. but it's definitely "comic bookish." never read the comic to know anything about faithfulness to the source, but it looks like the original authors were credited with work on the script.

tba, I think I really liked it. it felt a lot like predator or perhaps aliens if - ahem - aliens were set on 20th century earth (yeah, AVP: Requiem is gonna be like 30 days of night if it's good at all).

[maxpayne2409]

The 2 mexicans in season 2 just strike me as annoying and i hope sylar eats their brains, or whatever he does with them

[MyK]

not to be captain obvious or anything, but I think the point is that he altered the past and, thereby, the future so the hollow in the hilt wouldn't have been there when hiro was fiddling in s1.

So not! You're applying quantum logic to where it does not belong. Whatever the possible realities, we're only following a single one with a single time line. Don't get confused that the story is jumping back and forth within that time line. I guess you could reason that Hiro created a new reality "as he traveled back in time", but your logic fails if you were to say that he crated new reality "when he traveled back in time". You're forgetting there's only a single "true" reality for the observer, and the observers place in space-time continuum defines, what reality that is. Thus, the best line to describe it would rather confusingly read "Hiro created new reality at the time he time traveled to". Google for "Schroedinger's cat paradox" if that's unclear. It might make your eyes go all wobbly at the beginning and yes, it flushes objectivity down the drain too, but that's the best argument I can think of for the time being that clearly shows you (and all of Hollywood) are wrong in that regard. But yeah, the way Hollywood does it makes it easier for your average US couch potato to NOT understand how time traveling could alter present reality. This way most of Hollywood writers don't even need to be smart at all to hide the fact they're illiterate morons

[dinky]

that's fascinating and all, but this is the part where you have to accept that the laws of probability and necessity that govern the plots of mimetic works are NOT those that govern the world and/or being as such. so why the hell are you talking about actual "mathematical" theory again? btw: complaining about this is WAY worse than the gravity thing in traveling near the sun or where ever.

[Jynks]

whatever. It is a tv show guys... fiction... not fact. If there time travel logic is not perfect.. who cares. So it has some inconsistencies... big deal. (though dinkys explanation of why the sword hilt wasn't there dose work)... either way.. what dose it matter.

I really like the new characters like the twins and the sexy black chick with the power to do what ever she sees on TV... i wounder how far they will take that.. i mean can she watch a superman movie and do that?

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More smallville.... still like this show... same as it has been for years.. about 5 mins of good stuff the rest you can fast forward though. I normally watch it while ironing my shirts for work, or cooking.. that way i do nto have to pay close attention

I really hope now power girl has left clark she starts to get into some of her cool trouble!! Also glad to see Launa is finally starting to become more like the comic and into world domination ans stuff. (for teh greater good of course

Just pisses me off that the best charocter on the show gets such a raw deal. I mean cloee is the coolest but she get nothing... a dorky boyfriend.. i mean THE dork Jimmy omg.. plus she dosn't get to be the star reporter as lois dose.... man give her somthin g cool

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Flash Gorden

This show is terrible but i can nto stop watching it.. doh.. more of the same ... sigh wat a waste of one of teh best base copsepts for a scifi tc show.
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Bionic
This show wasn't nearly as bad as i thought it would be. Still nothing to write home about

[spudthedestroyer]

@dinky... japanese games are shit...

Arn't you a zelda freak spud?

yeah, huge zelda fan.

But that doesn't stop most japanese games being samey, uninspiring and lacklustre in the modern context.

nintendo is more of the exception rather than the rule regarding that one.

Japanese industry has work ethos on their side, but i feel western developers are being innovative in their gameplay, settings and story telling these days.

[maxpayne2409]

@jynks - urgh i tried watching flash gordon, i thought it was ok for a couple eps but i stopped watching because it was total shit, i mean ming just looks like a carpet salesman, his daughter thinks she's paris hilton, flash comes across as bland and a bit of a wuss, dale arden is just an annoying whiney bitch, and that other mercenary woman does my head in too, and zarkov is just shit beyond belief

[Jynks]

I know max.. but i can't stop for some reason..... <arrrrrggg>

[dinky]

I really like the new characters like the twins and the sexy black chick with the power to do what ever she sees on TV... i wounder how far they will take that.. i mean can she watch a superman movie and do that?

I don't. I wonder if the black girl's powers aren't being "injected" by mica? anyway, I think she's cute but not remotely sexy, if that makes any sense. and everything about her is (ironically) vanilla (bland, generic, etc.).

the twins rub me the wrong way. like a borderline (sub)conscious racism. what I mean is hey look: they're hispanic. that makes them devout catholics. and how about that coincidence? their "powers" are straight out catholic iconography with that bloody eye thing. and of course every "savage"/unenlightened Mexican('t) thinks they're the devil cuz hey: they're all pussy-whipped catholics. iunno. it feels like whoever came-up with this idea is playing with people and places that he knows nothing about so it's one stereo-type after another. and the whole "we must get to the US" thing, although logical in the context of the show that suresh is there (how the fuck do they know that from the book jacket?), is a bit preposterous. cuz rarely do they say (even to each other) that they'll be safe when they get to suresh. it's always "we'll be safe once we make it to the US." or "if only we can get to the US." up until their conversation with sylar, that was the case. at least they pulled out the damn book in the car instead of the "US this" "america that" crap.

[maxpayne2409]

if i can stop watching something because it's even too crap for me, then you can, i mean i have a limit that i can only watch things that are crap up to 3 kourics, but flash gordon was 6 whole kourics

[maxpayne2409]

@ dinky, i thought that about the twins too, but with regards ot them knowing suresh is in america on most book jackets written by doctors/professors etc it says after the letters next to their name University of such and such.

How could mika (and relation of the crap singer?) transfer powers into her unless she is an android, and i find it hard to believe she is, so far we only know she learns things she sees on tv, but i think its more likely it will be anything, her power is probably memory and emulation, so if she reads how to do something, or sees in real life, or hears how to do something, she can probably emulate it.

That's what i think anyway

[dinky]

the camera placed an unusual emphasis on his hand on her back when he was hugging her. that's my only reason for suspecting that he's the source of her power.

regarding the book jacket, shouldn't they be trying to get to INDIA, then? since he is (or was) a professor at an Indian University? and a book jacket doesn't say where a professor is living. they say sometimes where a writer is from (like stephen king in Maine) but the guy is a scholar, not a "writer" as such. and no publisher is going to advertise the fact that their scholar is an out of work professor who can't get a job because his theories are ridiculed by the academic and research community. I do see what you're saying. and I don't completely rule it out. I just think it's a very weak - bordering on pathetic - plot device.

[dinky]

just watched the invisible tonight. if you've seen ghost and ghost dad, then you've pretty much seen this entire movie before. it's a decent translation into the teen drama/thriller genre. based immediately on a book that may or may not have been something aimed at teens. hard to tell based on the movie, that is. I guess the only thing of note was that it was directed by david s. goyer, the guy who wrote the batman reboots and the blade "trilogy" (directing the last one). strictly from that standpoint, I was impressed. the movie DOES NOT show restraint, but shifting from his previous material, there's an awful lot of restraint. I mean...he's clearly trying to expand his horizons (much like michael bay with the island) - or maybe he's just looking for a quick buck (also like michael bay with the island?). hey - lightning in a barrel. you never know, I guess.

still feeling for the mood to take hold for michael clayton. I seem to be unmotivated for anything resembling "normal" (i.e., non sci-fi/fantasy) atm.

also watched transformers last night. only thing that really grates still is the blatant combination of material for kiddies (e.g., the autobots hiding from the kid's parents & the accompanying lines from optimus) and the more adult-oriented stuff like the military porn or the overt sexual objectification and jokes. I mean...the two things just fundamentally don't go together. sentient talking alien robots is a fundamental plot point that must be accepted in order for the movie to even exist. the kiddy and mature themes, however, are not, and they thoroughly contradict each other. I would, of course, prefer the mature stuff rather than another live action version of transformers ala the TMNT stuff with vanilla ice and shit, but the mix is just dissatisfying on both spectrums.

ps - one good, in focus fight. is that really asking too much?

[MyK]

...btw: complaining about this is WAY worse than the gravity thing in traveling near the sun or where ever.

You know, I really hate it when you act like some mother superior. I don't recall anybody ever mentioning this forum is a dogmatic world of single proper conviction, do you? I wasn't even complaining about anything (well, now I am, I guess ). I just thought it's an interesting fact how Hollywood's writers almost never seem to get it right, even though they could've if they did some research beforehand. And I thought some of you here might find that interesting as well. They were really close to getting it right this time and just about the only thing that bugs me about it is no one noticed. I also gave you an example of how it might work and they could do it with minimal changes to the script. Now tell me, what's so wrong about pointing that up?

[dinky]

it's time travel. it's fiction. it doesn't work</i>. however, there is an internal logic to all mimetic/aesthetic art. don't get me wrong, I don't think heroes is a beacon of consistency by any means. the time travel thing, though, isn't one of those cases. the show doesn't have to reinvent any sort of internal logic to produce the note in the sword.

now for an example of internal logic that's fuct from transformers: the transformers are able to scan/rescan and take new shapes at will. this means they can reform themselves on a molecular level. yet bumblebee can't automatically repair his "voice box." that doesn't work. not because it can't happen (sun's gravity/time travel mechanic) but because it contradicts the logic of the world as it is established in the movie. or you could point to the "lubricating"/peeing scene - he carries lubricant? ok. it comes out of a hole in his robot mode where a penis would be? oh please! this is too much. sometimes they're robots. sometimes they're humans with metal skin. it depends on the whim of the writer/director. that's lazy writing. internal logic neither remains intact nor, more importantly, seems/appears to remain intact.

are you seriously offended? I should think it's pretty obvious that my calling you out on that brand of criticism is my opinion since I'm saying it, and clearly half the board seemed the think transformers was just fine so what I say isn't exactly taken for gospel here. iunno what the deal is. we're talking about movies. I'm not calling you a morally/ethically bad person (although max is a seriously depraved individual, as his list of shows to watch clearly demonstrates ).